Edward Snowden participated in his first public debate on encryption on Tuesday, April 26, 2016. CNN’s Fareed Zakaria debated Snowden on the issue.

Zakaria, in New York, defended the government’s right to access any and all encrypted messages and devices as long as there’s court approval. Snowden, speaking over a live video-link from Moscow, argued the security of the Internet is more important than the convenience of law enforcement. The debate was organized by NYU’s Wagner School of Public Service and the Century Foundation.

The Intercept has more information and the full video is available from The Century Foundation.